Anlive677

I’ve got a question and I cannot figure out how to answer it with the current information that I have found in regards to the bail mobilite.

I would like to travel to Paris in the winter and stay there for a month. I would be working remotely for my current job (not a french company). I am planning on taking some language classes but I mainly want to learn and explore while I am there.

Am I allowed to rent an apartment on Airbnb? Or am I not allowed to do this kind of trip at all? Any advice or suggestions are very welcome - I just want to learn French and be there and make sure to do it legally and not cause any problems. Thank you so so much for your help! Merci!

bilboburgler

Which country are you from and where did you possibly commit a crime?

Anlive677

Hahaha no crime. From the USA- sorry, first time posting! I am just confused about the rules of the bail mobilite and want to follow them, so was hoping someone has more info than I’ve found.

hetismij2

In theory you are not allowed to work at all whilst on a visitor visa (even though there is no visa) anywhere in the EU. Chances of them catching you are small, just don't mention it when you get your passport stamped.

https://www.lodgis.com/en/owners/hel...ished-rentals/

MmePerdu

I have nothing useful for you but think you should do what the ever-reliable hetismij suggests.

Since the statute of limitations has hopefully run out I will confess to 2 crimes entering France many years ago. I was indeed coming to work & my employer said just don't say anything, they'd fix it when I got there. AND that same employer had me wear her very noticeable mink coat for her to avoid French taxes. On entry I noticed the immigration guys sort of falling all over themselves to welcome me as I guess I made an impression. They asked how long I'd be staying & "I don't know" seemed not to worry them.

The coat part & the I-don't-know part you should avoid but otherwise I wouldn't worry.

Seamus

For a month's stay, sure you can rent an AirBnB or any other licensed (look for the registration number on the listing) vacation apartment, which would not entail a bail mobilite, so no need to fret about that. It's pretty unlikely you'd find a landlord willing to do a lease for just one month, anyway.
If you Google Paris Vacation rentals you'll find lots of options. One often suggested by Fodorites (including Moi) is Paris Vacation Apartments.

Sarastro

Bail Mobilité apartments are legal short term rentals (those with a duration under 12 months) for people working on short term assignment, students, or internships. To qualify, you would need to be on a recognized work assignment. Their advantage is one of potentially lower cost than that of commercial apartments, and rentals would not be limited to the 120-day annual maximum as are normal short term rentals.

The entry stamp on your passport is technically a 90-day visa, which does not allow you to work. You might qualify for Bail Mobilité as a student.

StuDudley

Sarastro

The OP will be in Paris for only a month. I assume he/she will be working from his/her rental. He/she also wants to take some classes in French language - so that implies he/she will not be working full time. Does he/she need a Bail Mobilite? If not, is it advisable to get one for any reason? Do you think Paris Vacation Apartments (or any other short term rental agency - we use Paris Perfect) will cooperate?

I can't imagine the rental cops raiding a 1 month rental situation.

Stu Dudley

Anlive677

One of the main reasons I am asking is that all apartments in Paris on Airbnb - if you type in 1 month stay- say that they are available via mobility lease ONLY. I do not know if this is an all of Paris requirement now for “longer” (more than a few weeks) rental.

I appreciate everyone’s responses so much - thank you for all the input. I will check out some of these other websites to see if they also require a bail mobilite to rent for a month.

StuDudley

Why are you stuck on AirBnB?? We've rented from Paris Perfect and on their site when I asked for a 6 week rental - there was nothing about a monthly lease only. Paris Perfect is pricey. Try Paris Vacation Apartments. AirBnB kinda focuses on short rentals 4-5 days, IMO.

Stu Dudley

MmePerdu

My guess is that a particular number of days (30?) triggers that requirement. Have you tried 28 days, for instance? When you find the number and book for a day short of it you might also make an arrangement with the owner to add on. Or alternatively, stay in 2 locations to make up your preferred number of days which could be quite interesting, to experience another part of town or maybe a suburb.

MmePerdu

I disagree. If that were so, why would so many owners give discounts for weekly or monthly stays? And the means to do it built into the system, encouraging travelers to stay longer.

StuDudley

We have rented 72 gites through Gites de France, and all have required a minimum 7 day Sat to Sat stay. We almost always rent for 2 weeks. Paris Perfect also requires a 7 day rental - but will allow shorter ones (5-6 days) if they have a vacancy "gap" available, or during slow times of the year. We've rented a couple of AirBnBs (Florence, Carmel, London) and they allowed much shorter stays . IMO, AirBnB and their proprietors have established an infrastructure for quick turnaround rentals. GdF has not. Once we had to take car of the proprietor's cat while he took a 1 week vacation to Portugal.

Of course AirBnB will let you stay for longer. But two AirBnBs we have reserved for 2023 were formerly (2019) offered by GdF at 1/3 the price we are going to pay AirBnB for a 2 week stay. Both proprietors live close to the property, and I guess they don't mind having to deal with 2-3 different renters in a week, as long as the renter is paying a higher daily price.

Stu Dudley

MmePerdu

I’d call all that anecdotal evidence of nothing much to do with the OP. But a great opportunity to regurgitate numbers, as usual.

Sarastro

We have a lot of misinformation and false assumptions on this thread.

When someone enters the Schengen zone on a 90 day visa, a passport entry stamp, he may not work at all. Not part-time, not only a week, no work at all, and that includes working remotely from a laptop.

There are only three types of legal, short term apartment rentals in Paris (rent periods of fewer than 12 months):

1. Commercial apartments - of which there are very few, and they tend to be very expensive.

2. An apartment from the owner/occupant while he is away, limited to 120 days maximum a year.

3. A rental under the bail mobilite rules (minimum 30 days, no maximum rental period).

Anlive677 may rent from an owner/occupant for any amount of time (up to 120 days), but the owner must observe the 120 day annual maximum rental period. This applies to all short term rentals be they from Airbnb, booking.com, se logis, VRBO, or any other online platform. If anlive677 finds a mobilite lease, the rental period may be as short as 30 days, but there are restrictions to those who qualify. For anlive677, the easiest way to qualify would be as a full time student, as work is otherwise prohibited without a work qualifying titre de sejour.

The rules for cities of greater than 250,000 inhabitants are completely different than those for small communities. What someone did at a Gite in Dordogne is immaterial to what happens in Paris or Nice.

Anlive677

Thank you for this breakdown. I’ve realized that this is not something that I can realistically/properly do. I know some cities make it easier for “digital nomads” or people who have to work but still want to see something new. Guess this one will have to stay in the dream folder for now

Thanks for all the info everyone!

kerouac

I absolutely cannot imagine why a digital nomad would say that they were working, and if so, to whom? The internet has changed all the rules, or at least the enforcement of same. The pandemic changed the rules even more, since it is now considered perfectly normal to work remotely.

With an American passport, you can stay anywhere you want for up to 90 days. Nobody is going to ask what you are doing in your accommodations.